My friends over at The Carpet Guys have a post going up on their blog today about the differences between Frieze and Berber that is a worthwhile read for homeowners. Here is their link: http://bit.ly/1SZZg94
I’ve been reading through your CarpetProfessor website and I find it very informative. Thank you for putting this website together. One piece of information I was not able to find has to do with what the final installation cost is based on. For example, my room is about 18’ X 16’ and I’m buying 12’ wide carpet, Due to seaming,
I think I will need to buy 12 x 32, = 384 Sq ft of carpet, even though my room is only 288 Sq ft. My expectation is that I would pay installation only on the 288 Sq ft, I would also only purchase padding for 288 Sq ft, not 384 sf..
I know I will have to pay for the full carpet size (384 Sq ft) but it’s not clear to me which measurement would be used for the installation cost. I’d like to know so that I don’t get misdirected by a carpet salesperson.
Thanks for your excellent question!
When it comes to the cost of carpet installation, you always have to pay for the total amount of carpet ordered, including any material waste. Why? Because the installer has to handle the whole roll, transport it, cut it up accurately into needed sizes, seam it all together beautifully and install it all correctly.
The room figures you mentioned are correct if you only want one seam down the length of the room. However, you could do it in four pieces and save money on materials and labor.
By that I mean, if you have a 16 x 18 room (approximately) and use 12’ goods, you may only need to buy a 12’ x 18’ piece plus a 12 x 6’ for the side fill. That adds up to 12 x 24 = 288 sf.
The 12 x 6 piece is cut into 3 pieces (3@ 6 x 4) which are all seamed together to make the 4’ x 18’ fill. (This math doesn’t apply to carpets with a pattern match)
You won’t get charged any more for installation regardless of the installer having to seam up the carpet in several pieces, unless you are buying Looped Berber style carpet. http://www.carpetprofessor.com/berber_carpet.htm
Here is my blog page that will help you make sense of measuring for carpet seams.
Be sure to check out the room diagrams on my blog page. Hope this helps!
Best Carpet Choice for Home
I live in Clinton Township Michigan. My husband and I are looking to replace all of our upstairs carpet. The carpet to be replaced includes a hall, a stair case with 12 stairs, and four upper bedrooms.
Last week I stopped into a local family owned carpet store to look at a carpet that I had seen in a family member’s home. The carpet was made by Mohawk and is made from 75% Smartstrand and 25% P.E.T. Polyester.
Tonight we had an in-home estimate from a well-known shop-at- home company. The salesman brought out some plush style carpets that he stated were great for high traffic areas. He showed us a 60 oz weight, and a 50 oz weight carpet samples. I asked him if in fact that they carried “Smartstrand” and he said yes however that it was a special order carpet. He went on to say that the sample that I had from the local dealer was only about a 30 oz face weight and would mat down over time. He instead suggested that his Shaw plush style was a much better choice for the stairs and hall. He quoted us $3,750 to do the hall/stairs and the four bedrooms. I had received a quote of $4,036 from the local family owned carpet store with the 30 oz face weight carpet.
Both offered 8 lb padding. The shop-at- home company offered padding without the moisture barrier, they have it but he did not believe that we needed it (because it is just me and my husband in the home), but the local dealer offered padding with the moisture barrier.
I came across your site after going online to look at some other local carpet stores to see what they may have to offer. I guess I would like an expert such as you to weigh in or give some advice as to why the local carpet store would only offer us a 30 oz face weight and give a quote of $4000 dollars and the shop-at- home carpet company quote $3,750.00 with w 60 oz face weight. Looking forward to hearing back from you.
Thanks for your carpet questions! I have to make some assumptions with the limited information you gave me, so this email is my best “guesstimate” response for you.
It sounds like you had Empire Today out tonight to show you some polyester carpet samples. I never recommend buying carpet from Empire, and I don’t recommend you buy a carpet made of PET or Polyester fibers unless you want it to last for less than 7 years. Those are the absolute worst fibers, no matter what they tell you. Neither of two carpets you mentioned can handle medium to heavy foot traffic regardless of their 50 or 60-ounce face-weights. Fiber type, Tuft twist and pile density are way more important factors to consider than is a higher face-weight. You need to consider all the carpet specifications to know if the carpet is durable enough to handle your application and last as long as you anticipate. (See attached carpet durability chart)
A carpet made of Nylon is always the best choice for stairs and hallways and other heavy foot-traffic areas. Smartstrand, P.E.T. or Polyester fibers do not perform as well on stairs and hallways as they tend to mat down quickly in medium to heavy foot traffic applications. If your home has low foot-traffic, then a Smartstrand (Triexta) fiber might work well for you, but it should still have good specifications, hopefully more than 30-ounce face-weight and good pile-density rating (see attached carpet durability chart)
Best Padding Choice
You don’t really need a moisture barrier padding, so why pay extra for it. A good quality Rebond type pad, 7/16”, 8-pound density will do the job just fine. Learn more about moisture barrier padding and other specialty padding types.
Take my free carpet foot traffic test to see what level of foot traffic you have.
I have three preferred dealers near you. Here is a link: http://www.carpetprofessor.com/preferred_carpet_store_in_detroit_MI.htm
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#1 Locally-Owned “Family Run” Carpet Dealers
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With a few remnants stood up along the back wall, some in-stock rolls of carpet on display, a neat and tidy showroom and a good selection of brand name carpet samples. These long-standing neighborhood flooring retailers buy first-quality carpet directly from the carpet manufacturer, provide excellent customer service, have fair & square pricing, have knowledgeable staff and provide qualified installers. Should you ever have a problem or complaint they will do whatever it takes to ensure you are completely satisfied. Over the past few years I have compiled my own “hand-picked” list of reputable locally-owned Carpet Dealers that I am proud to recommend to my readers. See who I recommend near you
#2 Nationally Advertised or BIG-BOX Carpet Retailers
These corporately owned conglomerates blanket the airwaves with repetitive TV commercials, radio ads, billboards and bus stops! They have locations located all over the country. I think home improvement warehouses like Lowe’s and Home Depot fall into this category because they use private labels, they farm out their installations to other companies, they require payment upfront at the time of purchase, and they may even charge you a fee to come out and measure your home. Should you have a carpet problem, they may just tell you to contact the installation company or contact the carpet manufacturer directly. In many cases, if you have a problem, no one is willing to step up and accept responsibility for your problem or complaint and you could end up stuck with a carpet that you are unhappy with. Learn more: Should I Buy Carpet from Lowe’s, Home Depot, Empire Today or Costco?
#3 800- Carpet Wholesalers
These are carpet and flooring peddlers who will send you small carpet samples through the mail. They want you to buy their carpet virtually “sight unseen” (other than a small swatch) There are no refunds on discounted carpets so you really have to be fully aware of all the fine print. You can save money if you buy from a reputable carpet
wholesaler as long as you know exactly what you are buying and fully understand how the entire carpet buying process works and what is expected of you, especially regarding the delivery of the carpet and what you are required to do if you need to return a roll of carpet. Some 1-800 carpet outlets stores are reputable and some are not. The burden of being knowledgeable about your purchase falls solely upon you. See who I recommend near you!
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Thank you so much for your information on carpet and how to measure and purchase. I have had your recommended dealer out to measure to give me an estimate. We both came up with the same square footage of 566 but they added 118 sq. feet more making the total 684sq ft. Is that reasonable to add that much for laying the carpet and seams? Its 3 separate bedrooms of carpet and the connecting hall is hardwood.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Sincerely, KJ in Texas
Thanks for your email! Measuring for carpet is surely challenging especially when seams are involved. I understand your concerns.
Unless your bedrooms are all less than 12 feet in width, you will need some extra carpet to do the seams properly. Since it appears that you do need seams, that means one or more of your bedroom(s) are wider than 12 feet. I have no idea how they figured the additional carpet needed for the seams as there are many ways to do so. You should feel comfortable to call the salesperson and ask them to help you understand how they did their calculations and where the seams are located and in how many pieces. Let me explain how it works…
- Carpet usually comes in 12 foot widths.
- Every carpet has a nap that must be laid down in the same direction when doing seams. (You can’t ¼ turn the carpet)
- Carpets with a pattern repeat require more carpet to properly line up the seams.
Let’s say for example that your master bedroom is 13.5 x 16, that would mean you would need a seam along one wall about two foot wide by sixteen feet long. If you order just 2 extra feet of carpet, the seam would end up being pieced together in 8 pieces. That would be time consuming and difficult to do and might not look too good. You want to have as few seams as possible. So to do the seam in just three pieces you would need to order an extra 6 feet of carpet. That’s 6’ x 12’ or 72 sq. feet.
In your case they have ordered about 10 extra feet (10’ x 12’) so you may have more than one bedroom that requires seams or maybe there a pattern match to contend with. The 118 sq. feet they have added appears to be reasonable. The amount of extra carpet needed also depends on how many pieces of carpet are calculated to do the seams.
Below I show two examples, one room has the seam made using three pieces of carpet and the other only uses two pieces of carpet to make the seam.
Notice the difference in square feet needed. Perhaps these rough diagrams will help.
More Free Information
- Visit www.carpetProfessor.com to learn more about how to measure for carpet.
- Here is another helpful Carpet Seaming Diagram: How To Measure For Carpet | Seaming Diagram
- Additional Link: Room Measurements with Seams Diagram
Click on the diagram below to see a larger view.
How Much Does New Carpet Cost?
New Carpet is more costly than most homeowners expect. To help you understand how much new carpet and padding will cost you, I’ve created a helpful New Carpet and Pad Pricing Chart.
Homeowners, if you are in the market for new carpet you should first take my free Carpet Foot Traffic Test and then you can cross reference your unique Level of Foot Traffic with the Number of Years you want your New Carpet to Last.
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Tempted by Home Depot $37 Carpet Installation?
A new round of 2014 TV ads from Home Depot now offers whole house carpet installation for just $37.00. Big box stores want to entice you to buy new carpet from them and it would seem that they are willing to give you a fantastic deal on installation if you do. The question is… Who’s Installing Your Carpet?
Why are they giving away carpet installation for just $37?
There are several reasons why they are giving away carpet installation for just $37. They used to hire carpet installers directly but his backfired on them. Homeowners posted a ton of complaints on the internet claiming poor carpet installation and poor customer service. Today they contract out their installs to an independent installation company.
Let me ask you… If you pay just $37 installation for a whole house full of carpet and the installer does a lousy job, what recourse do you have? Maybe they will come back and try to fix it. Maybe they will say it’s a carpet defect and that it is not their fault. Maybe they will refund your money… But wait….You only paid $37 for installation right? What is their financial liability to you in the event they cannot satisfy you? Might it be a $37 refund? What will it cost you to fight them in small claims court?
Who’s Installing Your Carpet?
Big box retailers used to hire sub-contracted carpet installers, but they had a real hard time finding and keeping qualified installers. It didn’t take long before all the real good installers left and would never return to work for the big box stores again.
Back in the 90’s Home Depot paid local installers a little better for carpet installation than the locally owned carpet stores, but they were so unorganized at the store level, that every morning a dozen or so carpet installers would stand around for hours waiting to load up the carpet and pad for the day’s job. Most often, the store personnel could not locate the carpet because it was buried somewhere in the back room along with dozens of appliances, boxes and various building materials. It would take a fork lift operator hours to finally uncover the rolls of carpet that had arrived the previous week.
Where’s My Carpet?
Often the carpet would be delivered to the wrong store, or the carpet would not arrive on schedule and the homeowners were never notified of the delay. Homeowners were heaping mad! They had already moved all the furniture out, taken time off work and the homeowner ended up waiting hours without a call or explanation. Carpet installers were angry too. A whole day was wasted without any pay because the job was scheduled but the carpet never arrived.
The store manager knew nothing, the person who ordered the carpet did not do any follow-up, and when a homeowner would call for an update, nobody knew anything. When a homeowner would call, the staff would often say something like, “Bob is in charge of handling all that and this is his day off!” Then and now, I seriously question Home Depot’s ability to properly run a carpet business. I do not think they should be in the carpet or flooring business at all.
Home Depot finally decided to contract out all of their carpet installations to independent flooring installation companies. This limits their liability since they now have nothing to do with the installers directly. If something goes wrong with your carpet install, Home Depot may simply refer you to the installation company, “Here’s their phone number, give them a call and have them come back and take a look.”
But is it an installation problem or a carpet defect?
The carpet installer says its a carpet defect NOT a bad install. Now you have to call the carpet manufacturer and ask to have an inspector come by and take a look. The carpet inspector comes to your home and says it’s an installation issue NOT a carpet defect. Now what do you do?
What is $37 carpet installation really worth? Do you want to spend thousands on new carpet and then pay almost nothing for one of the most important aspects of the job? It doesn’t make much sense to me and I have been in the carpet business over 30 years. Any carpet you buy must be installed properly or it will wear out prematurely and improper installation can easily void the carpet warranty too.
What a sweet deal for big box retailers! Just collect all the money (profit) upfront and never have to worry about dealing with carpet complaints. They even use an independent company to do all their in-home measuring, and they can charge you a hefty fee for that if you don’t buy from them. (read more about carpet measuring scams on my website).
Beyond the definition of a “Basic Installation”
How can installers survive on $37? In reality, they are paid more. Not only that, they are allowed to charge you excessively for every little extra option you require. Need some new tack-less strips? Need carpet on stairs? Need metal transitions or thresholds? Need the old carpet and pad removed and hauled away? Have a Mobile Home? It’s all extra.
The list of extra charges you might encounter beyond their definition of a “basic installation” could easily cost you hundreds more than you expect. When the carpet installers show up with your new carpet and have the chance to take a good look at your home, they will then let you know exactly how much more you have to cough up for them to install your carpet. Have your checkbook ready!
Where to Find Well-Trained and Qualified Carpet and Flooring Installers?
I don’t recommend buying carpet from big box retailers like Home Depot or Lowe’s. You have way too much at stake should something go wrong. It’s real important to make sure your new carpet is installed correctly according to the manufacturers guidelines. Following The Carpet and Rug Installation Standard 105 is usually required. See it here: CRI Carpet Installation Standard 2011(PDF 1.06 MB)
The fact is, locally owned and family-run carpet dealers have a much easier time finding and keeping qualified flooring installers. Most locally owned carpet dealers have long term relationships with experienced and well-trained installers that have been working with them for decades. This is great news for you because locally owned flooring dealers tend to offer the best customer service, offer lower prices, provide honest measuring and give free estimates.
Please be aware… not all locally owned flooring dealers are honest and reputable and carpet scams are common. Since 2008 I have been compiling a short list of locally owned carpet dealers that meet my requirements. See who I recommend near you! Alan’s Preferred Carpet Dealer Directory
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